Interview with Canadian Worship Leader: Chris Bray
Dan Thomson, of the All About Worship Team, recently had the opportunity to interview Canadian worship leader and songwriter, Chris Bray:
For those who may not know you, can you share a bit about yourself and where you’re from?
I’ve been married for four and a half years. My wife Katie and I have two little girls, Molly, who is two and a half years old, and Norah, who just turned one. I originally grew up in farm country in south-western Ontario. When we got married, we decided to settle in a small town close Katie’s roots.
What motivated you to become a songwriter?
Peer pressure. I just wanted to play electric guitar in a rock band. I had no aspirations to sing or write music, but it was something that was encouraged, and eventually led me to grow in that. The more I started song writing, the more passion I realized I had for it. In the last 8-10 years, I’ve really felt a calling to writing songs that people can relate to and use as a tool to aid them in their spiritual journey closer to Christ.
I understand you’ve had the opportunity recently to co-write with other professional songwriters in Nashville. Who were they and how did that experience help you as a songwriter?
This spring when I was in Nashville I had some writing sessions with a couple of guys from the Word/Warner music group. The first was Michael Farren from Pocket Full of Rocks and the second was Paul Alan who has a song on Point of Grace’s latest album. Both guys are very talented song writers, and it was exciting and humbling working with them.
I could relate well with Michael because of his heart for worship and sharing his experiences ministering to people on the road for so many years. I also appreciated Paul’s discipline in business and his commitment as a husband and father, taking care of his family, while still being open God’s plan for his life with respect to music.
I felt like I had developed my song writing skills on my own as much as I could and that I had plateaued. So many songwriters stay in that rut, and write the same kinds of songs over and over again. Forcing myself to write with others (especially more talented writers) was like flexing my writing muscles, introducing new ideas that challenged me, allowing me to get stronger and nurture the gifts God had given me. I personally think it’s something that needs to be done continually.
You are an independent artist and songwriter. How do you manage to get your music into the marketplace and have the opportunities that you’ve had to open for major artists such as Matt Maher and Point of Grace?
I’ve realized along the way that nurturing relationships for both business and ministry is extremely important. When you look at most circumstances in life, the choices you make are usually based on the recommendation of someone you trust. If you need a plumber, you go ask your neighbour who they use. If you need a dentist, you ask a friend. As a musician, a recommendation from someone who can influence the decision makers can go a long way. Even more especially in Church and ministry. A pastor doesn’t want just anyone coming in front of their congregation introducing concepts that may not align with the churches beliefs, etc.
I’ve been blessed to have a wonderful management team to help me develop as an artist, take some of the burden off of me so I can focus more on ministry, and to facilitate the relationships I wouldn’t normally be able to on my own.
Being based in Canada, with a lot of the gospel music industry being based out of the United States, how do you go about releasing your music and how has the Canadian marketplace embraced your music?
Christian radio in Canada has been so welcoming, and I’ve been blessed to have the opportunities that I have. Stations have fewer and fewer spots for “new” music and the few spots available are extremely competitive to get, just because there’s so much great music out there. Promoting a new record and a new single is a lot of work, but it’s worth it. I know so many artists that spend the money to make a great record, and then don’t remember to budget for promotional efforts. Then I start to think, what was the point of spending all that money if no one knows about your music and you have 950 of the 1000 copies you got pressed sitting in your closet still?
Christian radio and retail distribution have taken my music from “the local worship leader” to a more national level. Even today, beyond my belief, my music is reaching and ministering to people across the continent, and that’s an amazing opportunity I feel honoured to have.
What would you say to encourage other songwriters or worship leaders who may want to get their music heard?
I think it’s important to recognize that there are various methods to distribute your music and by not getting radio play or retail distribution, doesn’t make an artist’s song less effective. A recent example I have with my own music is a slow melodic ballad I wrote with another local artist called, “Pursue Me”. I never intended it to be a “radio” song; it was more of a prayer to God. But a friend of mine led it in worship during a youth pilgrimage to Medjugorje . He said it turned into their theme song by the end of their mission trip because it spoke to them and allowed them to worship God effectively.
First off, I was honoured that a song I had a hand in writing was able to be used for that purpose. Secondly, I don’t feel that song is any less effective because it didn’t chart on radio. It served a great purpose and additionally, that song was nominated for “Inspirational Song of the Year” for this October’s Canadian Gospel Music Association Covenant Awards.
Artists—share your music every way you can (YouTube, MySpace, Facebook, worship events, radio, television, retail, iTunes, etc.). But personally, the songs I’ve been most touched by aren’t the ones I’ve heard on the radio. It’s the ones I’ve seen live, where the artist shares the story about the circumstance in their life that inspired the song, being able to relate to it myself and leave feeling touched. It’s the songs I’ve had an “encounter” with.
Something that I’ve had to learn along the way is to forget about the accolades, the awards, and the charts—because there is always going to be someone better. Work towards creating opportunities for people to encounter your songs. Keep focused on Christ and His plan for you.
When you travel and lead worship, you also speak for Compassion Canada. How has being an advocate enhanced your ministry?
My wife and I always “talked” about how it would be a good idea to get involved, but it took us a long time to put those words into action. When we finally did, our eyes were opened. We realized how good we really have it here in North America. How many people around the world suffer and go without. We realized that in our cushy lives, some days our biggest burden was getting our pizza delivered and they forgot the extra sauce, or ordering an ice cream cone, and they ran out of sprinkles. We didn’t know what it meant to go without like so many in our world do today.
We sponsored Marianna from Columbia and we instantly saw a change in our family. We started to see interest from our girls to write letters and draw pictures for her, to pray for her, and we were excited that we had the opportunity to bestow those values in our children at such a young age.
We really felt called to share that with others, which is why we have partnered with Compassion—to free more children from poverty, give them the opportunity to learn about Christ and to help folks that have been blessed, experience the graces received from giving and sacrifice (even though it is a relatively small sacrifice).
A question that we ask at the end of all All About Worship interviews: if you weren’t able to be involved in music, what would you be doing?
God only knows. If you would have asked me that question in my pre-teens, I would have said an action hero—most likely Superman, but I would settle for Batman.
Interview with Jonny Hale of The Desperate
We recently had the opportunity to interview Jonny Hale (The Desperate) about their ministry and music. Check it out below and be sure to watch their EPK at the end of the interview.
Wisdom: What is The Desperate?
Jonny: Real Raw Revolution Ministries created The Desperate as a movement of people who are desperate for more of God and desperate to see God revealed in the lives of their friends, family, and everybody they come in contact with. We also created thedesperate.com as a social app to gather a generation of believers together around that idea.
W: Could you share with us what the process was like working on Songs For The Desperate?
J: In the natural and logistically working on this first Songs for the Desperate project was… really exciting and very difficult all at the same time. Noe Chapparo and I started the project when we were both living in Tampa, FL and that worked great. It got really difficult when I felt called back to Georgia and Noe moved to the Faroe Islands off the coast of Denmark.
From that point on we wrote, recorded, and engineered over Skype, ichat, screen share, iDisk, Dropbox, and whatever other technology we thought might help get the job done. We were able to fly Noe over for a week of recording in Florida as well as mixing and mastering in TN and GA so that helped a lot.
God really gave us a grace for the interesting circumstances we were recording in. I would stay up until 3 or 4 in the morning and Noe would get up at the crack of dawn or vice versa so we could record together and God would always show up and really connect and inspire the ideas we were bringing to the table. It was amazing to be thousands of miles apart and still have a great creative flow and an extremely worshipful atmosphere in everything that we did.
W: What is the main thing you hope the listener takes away from this project?
J: We want people who hear this album to be challenged to a deeper level of intimacy with their Father. We want people to hear these songs and say, “You helped me say what I couldn’t put in words.”
We are always more focused on declaring the creative Word of God than with being musically creative. I hope what people take away from this project is not in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God (1 Cor. 2:5).
W: What’s the one song on the album that’s been getting the most response from churches? What’s the story behind that song?
J: The song that is getting the most response when we play it live right now is “I Surrender”. It’s a song that was written very quickly during my own personal worship time. The song simply tries to express our need for surrender and submission to the Holy Spirit. Because of that it has become an anthem in the altars almost everywhere that we go.
We’ve seen hundreds of people at the altars over the last year crying out, “I SURRENDER! COME AND CHANGE ME! HOLY SPIRIT HAVE YOUR WAY!”. There have been times we’ve played that song for over an hour as people are just saturated in His presence because of being yielded and surrendered to God.
W: What role does scripture play in your songwriting?
J: Scripture is the foundation, beginning and end of everything that we write. We don’t write songs inspired by anything but the word of God. Nothing else is living and powerful and able to divide spirit and soul, joint and marrow and discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart (Heb 4:12). Nothing else can sanctify, set apart for God’s purpose, like the truth of the Word (John 17:17). Nothing else is held higher in heaven than the Word of God.
God regards His words higher than His own name (Ps 138:2). Psalm 119:11 says that we hide His words in our heart to keep us far from sin. If you want to write songs about Jesus you can’t get away from the word because John 1 declares that Jesus IS the Word!
Sorry, to go on about that. You got me on my favorite subject. I think it’s very interesting that all the melodies and musical arrangements for the psalms got lost but it’s those words inspired by God that endure. That’s why we hold His word and truth in such high regard in our writing.
W: What’s next for The Desperate?
J: We are currently working on 4 new projects. Our label Real.Raw.Revolution Records recently signed a band called Lady at The Well and we just finished up all the tracking for that album which will be out soon. We are also working on the second Songs for the Desperate album, Noe’s solo project, and my solo project.
The thing we’re most excited about coming up is traveling and ministering in 2012. We’re currently booking for a tour all over the country and would love to hear from anyone reading this that has an event coming up they feel like we would be a good fit for.
A special thanks to Jonny Hale of The Desperate for taking the time to share with us. Be sure to connect with them online:
facebook.com/songsforthedesperate
twitter.com/thedesperate
twitter.com/jonnyhale
twitter.com/noahchaparro
realrawrevolution.com
Episode 80: Interview with Mike Weaver of Big Daddy Weave
On this Christmas edition of the podcast we interview Mike Weaver, lead singer of Big Daddy Weave. We discuss ministry, worship, touring, and Mike’s dream of becoming a Walmart greeter.
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Episode 78: The City Harmonic
On this special Thanksgiving edition, we feature an interview with lead singer, Elias Dummer, of The City Harmonic. We also feature a song from their new album, an interview with Chris Lydle of RightsFlow.com, and more.
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Episode 77: Interview w/ Leigh Nash (of Sixpence None The Richer)
On this episode, we feature a special interview with Sixpence None The Richer’s singer, Leigh Nash, about her brand new album. We also feature a song from her project, an interview with Chris Lydle of RightsFlow.com, and some tributes our listeners left on our comment line for their pastors.
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Episode 73, Interview with Stuart Townend – Show Notes
On this episode, we feature an interview with one of today’s most renown hymn writers, Stuart Townend. Stuart has written songs like “How Deep The Father’s Love”, “In Christ Alone”, “The Power of the Cross”, and many others.
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Interview with David Santistevan
Dan Thomson, one of our contributors, recently had the opportunity to interview worship leader/songwriter/blogger – David Santistevan.
Dan: As a Worship Pastor and Young Adults Pastor, how do you organize your time with your team(s) to be ready for services each week?
David: With my worship team, I’m fortunate to work with some skilled, passionate young players who come prepared.
We use Planning Center as our home base of communication where our musicians can reference the weekends they are scheduled and come prepared to rehearsal. This enables us to rehearse on Saturday before our Saturday night service and skip a weekday rehearsal.
It’s pretty rare for a musician to show up on Saturday unprepared, which is amazing. It hasn’t always been this way!
Dan: Do you try to introduce original music in your worship services? If so, how often and what is the response from the congregation?
David: Yes, we do. Most songs typically take 2-3 weekends before they catch on. What I’ve found is that the original songs we write are embraced by the congregation even more than other songs. I’m not sure why, other than the congregation believes in what we’re doing. And, hopefully because the songs are good. 
I’m currently trying to introduce one original song a month. We just finished a songwriting retreat with our team a few months ago, so there’s a lot of songs we’re working on finishing and introducing. The hard part is finishing the songs! Sometimes you just need to call it done (for now) and test it out.
Dan: How long have you been blogging and what gives you the drive to write as many as 5 articles per week?
David: Believe it or not, I’ve actually been blogging for about 4 years. I started blogging just because a few close friends said I should. I had no vision or strategy for it. It was random and not very good. Barely had any readers.
About 9 months ago I decided to get more serious about it as a way to extend my influence and have a ‘home base’ for my ideas and ministry. I have a passion to teach so it’s been a great outlet for that as well. I write so often because I challenge myself to do it. I think it’s a great habit for everyone to write every day. Whether they have a blog or a journal or scribble on napkins doesn’t really matter.
Writing has made me a better thinker, artist, pastor, and leader. Positive feedback, blog growth, and having a passion for my niche keeps me going as well.
Dan: Your blog seems to have a lot of participation through comments and social media sharing. What topic would you say has brought the most feedback?
David: Anything worship related gets the most feedback and sharing. I was nervous that narrowing my niche would exclude readers and shrink my blog. It’s only grown as I’ve invested in this niche of worship leading in the local church. Second would be when I write about blogging. I think that’s because bloggers are online more than non-bloggers, so they’re always devouring content.
Dan: If you had one word of advice to give worship leaders, what would it be?
David: Invest your best energies into loving God with all your heart. “Passion for Jesus” is not a one-time event where you then move on to more practical matters. The practical aspects of worship leading are important but nothing can fuel a life of worship leading other than falling more in love with Jesus every day. Guard that passion with your life.
Dan: You are a Pastor and blogger, but you are also a songwriter and in 2008 recorded a worship album entitled “Near”. Can you tell us about the project and how that came about?
David: Recording “Near” was a dream come true for me. I’ve always wanted to record a worship album of original songs because my life was shaped by worship music as a youngster. I spent more time than I’d like to admit listening to Matt Redman, Vineyard, MorningStar, and Hillsong.
I wanted to release what was inside of me. The album was the result of a long season of physical suffering. I had an undiagnosed disease for over a year where I was unable to walk up stairs and lift up my hands, let alone play my guitar and sing. I laid down my passion for that year because I had no choice. Many of the songs were written without me actually singing them because I was so sick. But they were breath in my lungs as I poured my heart out to God through it all. He’s been so faithful.
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Exclusive Interview with Dwayne Moore
Wisdom Moon (founder of All About Worship) had a chance to sit down with author & speaker, Dwayne Moore. We discuss his recently published books, ministry, heaven, and much more.
Exclusive Interview with Joshua Seller
Joe Brookhouse, one of our contributors, recently had the opportunity to interview Canadian worship leader/songwriter – Joshua Seller.
Joe: For our readers who may not acquainted with you, introduce us to Joshua Seller. What is important for us to know about you?
Joshua: I’m a husband, father and worship leader and love my life! I get to write songs, lead people in music and see worship break out. I’ve been serving as the Director of Worship at Harvest Bible Chapel in Oakville, ON which is just outside of Toronto. Our little boy London just turned 2 and we have a little girl due in September.
Joe: This past October, you released your first full-length album, My King is Coming. Tell us about the process of creating your latest release. What was the vision behind the album?
Joshua: My King Is Coming is a project that I had unknowingly been writing for about 3 years. I never had the intent to make a record out of these songs but simply wanted to sing and share them with my church congregation. It was through much prayer and waiting on the Lord that it became clear it was time to record them and release something official. The “Passionate Reverence EP” was a result of winning “Scriptural Song of the Year” at the Covenant Awards in 2009. Part of the award was free studio time for a 3 song project. That got the ball rolling and lead to a follow up full length project that I recorded in Nashville in the summer of 2010. 
My church leadership really got behind the project which really served in the decision that now was the right time and fit to do something like this. After we recorded the project I felt the song “My King Is Coming” was the biggest “thought” I wanted to remind both believers and non-believers. My friend Andi Rozier inspired me to make the record missional in the sense that someone picks it up or is given it that it actually shares the gospel with that person. I desire to remind believers and unbelievers that Christ will return. That’s the truth.
Sure it’s a worship record, but these songs are birthed out of the desire to meet Christ one day and see His love lived out through us on this earth until that day. It gave me new purpose when working with the designer on the packaging and wording. I wanted the Gospel to go out and be heard.
Joe: “Worship Rises” is a standout track on the album and was also featured on the EP resulting from the Worship Rises songwriting event. For those unfamiliar with the event, can you tell us more about it and how you came to be involved?
Joshua: My good friend Chris Vacher came up with this idea to get like-minded worship leaders together to form some sort of community and out of that community hopefully birth some new songs for the church in Canada.
On my way to our first writers retreat I get hit with the conviction that I could very easily make this day about me, about my agenda and my goals and write songs that were “commercial’ instead of “corporate”. I began to pray out loud in my car and for some reason recorded it into my phone. The chorus and verse for Worship Rises came out of me. I showed it to Chris when I got there and we began to work on finishing the song. It all came together within 20-30 minutes.
Joe: What is your approach to songwriting? How are you inspired to write songs? How does your approach differ when working with a co-writer or co-writers?
Joshua: I’ve tried to block out time each week to write. Usually I’m inspired from a specific passage of Scripture or time alone with the Lord. But there are times when I hear a sermon, read a book, hear someones testimony, play with my son or simply be driving down the road and I melody and lyric pops into my head from somewhere.
I think Chris Martin from ColdPlay said once songwriting is a lot like fishing. You just sit at the end of the dock and wait for something to bite. I find I can relate that to writing songs for my church. Sometimes I’ll lock myself in a room with my guitar and just play and sing random ideas and prayers I want to say to the Lord. Sometimes something comes of it, sometimes its just a sweet time locked in the room singing to Jesus. It’s easy to make a song the goal and when writing “worship” songs that’s a bad plan. The goal is worship and the by product is the song.
If I can get past the goal to write a song and just sit before Jesus, those are the songs I find I’ll want to sing again or sit on till their finished. When it comes to co-writing I almost prefer it sometimes then writing alone. I just love crafting something with the right person next to me for many reasons but mainly because it allows more than one persons experience with the Lord and taste for music, melodies and creativity. Worship leaders should make every effort to co-write with other people in their ministry or other area churches. Its a great resource for practicing humility and seeking God’s Glory with others.
Joe: Tell us about the journey that brought you to become a worship leader. How has your history with secular performance influence d your perspective of the role of the worship leader?
Joshua: I remember after my short time on Canadian Idol I stood to a sell out crowd in my home town of 7000 people. I sang a bunch of covers, ran around the stage, tried and tried to entertain and give these people their money’s worth. There were many other opportunities and experiences like that for about a year or so where I would sing my songs and entertain people. I’m so thankful I don’t have to entertain anyone anymore.
When Jesus put a passion in me to lead worship I had to be willing to flip upside down why I loved music, why I loved to write, why I loved being on a stage in front of people. I joke and say alot that the worship leader has the best seat in the house because I get to watch a lot of times men and women connect and experience God and express back to Him their love and devotion.
People aren’t raising their hands to me, they’re not singing that I would hear them, they are singing to the Most High and I simply get to witness it and accompany those praises. I’m so aware of my insecurities in my flesh but so confident in the Gospel of Jesus Christ who has saved me and turned me around to be a vessel for HIS use and not my own.
I’ll be the first to say there is nothing special about me apart from Christ. The fact I can provide for my family through a worship ministry is still mind blowing after 5 years. I don’t deserve it but I’ll spend my life saying thank you to my God for the opportunity to serve Him this way.
Joe: You posted your testimony on your web site (thank you for sharing – it’s a blessing). You mention, in your past, faking being “Christian”. How do you avoid being a “fake” or being inauthentic as a worship leader?
Joshua: Part of avoiding being a fake is replacing and protecting yourself from your flesh and the human tendency we each have to seek glory for ourselves. Being a Christian isn’t easy but I will tell you its easier when you have things like moral boundaries, accountability, discipleship and a plan in place to do battle with your flesh.
God’s grace is a huge part but my part is taking what His Word says seriously and making a choice to take my sin seriously. Do that and watch the Holy Spirit do the rest. I read somewhere this quote I keep in my Bible to remind me of my responsibility to Christ and what He has called me to, it reads, “The power for Christian Living is entirely from the Holy Spirit, just as the power of salvation is entirely in Jesus Christ. But BOTH in the justifying work of Christ and in the sanctifying work of the HS, man’s will is active and commitment is called for.” Easy? no. Worthy it? Always.
Joe: How do you define success now as a worship artist with the perspective provided to you from your achievement in Canadian Idol?
Joshua: I describe it as “night and day”. Before Christ I did everything for myself. It sickens me to think how self absorbed I was with chasing things like fame and money. The truth in success is to the world or the Christians it looks much the same on the outside.
What I mean by that is if you are a successful songwriter, artist then popularity, fame and the financial side is bound to happen. Whats not the same is the heart of why we do what we do. I remember always being stressed or anxious and loosing sleep over how I was going to do something new to get my name in lights. It was so annoying looking back.
Now, I trust and know that God is for me. He is the one who guides me and keeps me. He is the one who plans out my steps even before I take them and if I walk in His shadow and desire to see His will be done than the Bible tells me I have nothing to fear and can rest in that. I desire all the time and effort I put into my ministry and my songs to result in spiritual fruit.
If any of it is done in my strength or with a underlying motive to seek self glory then I pray God would stop me in my tracks. Hard prayer to pray but the last thing I want is to stand before my Savior one day and be held accountable to a life lived for God but not knowing God.
Joe: A question that we ask at the end of all All About Worship interviews this year: if you weren’t able to be involved in music, what would you be doing?
Joshua: Making films. I love telling stories and think if I would have picked up a camera before a guitar I might have been in a whole different creative space.
“Broken Things”, Sarah Reeves – CD Review & Interview
I like to listen to worship while reading and studying. It’s truly remarkable when an album is so good that I have to put my books down. I found this in the new release from Sarah Reeves’ Broken Things. With 10 songs that last a little less than 45 minutes it gives you enough time to enjoy, but it’s short enough to cause you to want more.
I love tracks 2 and 3: “Mighty Wave” which leads right into “Spontaneous One”. “Mighty Wave” is such a soft and soothing track that it’s easy to get swept away. (I am sorry about the pun.) Both are very simple tracks, but carry such weight. “Mighty Wave” is about getting lost deep within the depths of God.
I love the chorus, “So I’ll pour my tears in the ocean. And I’ll leave my pain by the shore. With Your mighty wave You’ll sweep them away, till they are no more.” That is the heart of the song, being so lost in Jesus that people have to find Him to find you. The song leads into the first spontaneous track which is really an overflow of Sarah’s heart, about taking your cares, burdens, and weights and casting them aside and going before Him.
Sarah is a phenomenal piano player and it really shows in this album. Most of these songs are devotional worship as opposed to the traditional corporate worship. I love the refreshing nature of them. It’s like a cup of cool water for my soul in the midst of this hot summer.
“Spontaneous Two” is another amazing song. It begins with Sarah lightly flowing over the keys of her piano while lightly humming along. It’s a powerful song about how the Lord is dancing over us. It literally drips with the Love of the Lord. She is able to almost dance between the Love of God to us and our response of love back to him. It’s an intricate tango that really draws you into a deeper place of worship. It is not the kind of song you listen to lightly, but rather one that makes you lay out and just worship Him.
The final track on the album “Sweetest Name” is just amazing. There are probably dozens of worship songs written about the name of Jesus, but Sarah truly does it justice. That is a high compliment. She really honors and does justice to the name of Jesus. What other name is worth anything. It shows the beauty, the power, and the Glory of His name. It is with no reservations, my favorite song on the entire album. This is a song you need to hear.
Be sure to go get this album on iTunes or on SarahReeves.net!
-Review by Mathew Reams
Check out this clip from a recent interview Wisdom Moon, founder of All About Worship, did with Sarah. You can listen to the entire interview on the upcoming episode of the All About Worship Podcast.
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