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Yes, Wisdom and Ben are very dedicated! Despite the busy holiday season and Wisdom being sick, they were determined to bring you another fabulous edition of the All About Worship Podcast.

On this edition of the podcast we feature an interview with The City Harmonic, a Kingsway Music band, based out of Canada. Their music is described as brit-pop meets campfire singalong. They share their story, thoughts on songwriting, and their most embarrassing moment. Stay tuned at the end of the interview for the featured song “Manifesto” by The City Harmonic. Check out their EP on iTunes:
We also feature a special toolbox segment with Christian Copyright Solutions discussing copyright issues regarding creating rehearsal CD’s and more.
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Hosts: Wisdom Moon & Ben Abu Saada – check out their blogs
Grace Church of Overland Park – check out Wisdom & Ben’s home church
OwnIt365.com – join us in 2011 as we read through the entire Bible
Christian Copyright Solutions – check out our Worship Leader Toolbox segment sponsor’s site! They are a great resource for the local church.
Copyright Community – a great place to find tons of helpful information
CCLI – Chris from CCS mentioned CCLI during the toolbox segment
The City Harmonic – find out more about the Canada-based band we interviewed
WorshipPlanning.com – this episode was sponsored by our great partner! Listen to the show for a special promo code available to our listeners.
All About Worship Retreat – join us May 19-21, 2011 in Overland Park, KS for a special time of connecting with other worship leaders in a small setting. Listen to the show for a special promo code available to the first 5 people to register!
Dave Fitzgerald – our newest addition to the lineup for the upcoming retreat
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Special thanks to The City Harmonic, WorshipPlanning.com, Christian Copyright Solutions, and Kingsway Music for making this episode possible.
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As promised, here’s The City Harmonic’s music video of their single, “Manifesto”:

On this episode, Mandy Thompson interviews Irish worship leader/songwriter, Kathryn Scott. Kathryn has been an influential worship leader and songwriter of songs like “Hungry”, “At the Foot of the Cross”, and many others. We also get to hear Ben’s amazing embarrassing moment of 2010 when he attempts to thank one of our closest friends.
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A special thanks to Kathryn for being a part of the show! Thanks also to our friends at Integrity Music for permission to provide our listeners a glimpse of Kathryn’s album with “We Still Believe”. Thanks once again to our friends at WorshipPlanning.com and WorshipStream.
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On this episode we interview British worship leader/songwriter, Al Gordon. Al leads Worship Central along with his friend, Tim Hughes. We also interview Media Shout during the Worship Leader Toolbox segment.
You’ll also hear a couple of comments from our listeners. We also announce some really exciting news: All About Worship Awards, All About Worship Plus, and more.
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This week on the All About Worship Podcast, Wisdom and Ben take a moment to semi-celebrate two years of podcasting partnership between the two. Wisdom remembers his favorite moment with Ben on the podcast. Our UH-MAZING field correspondent, Mandy Thompson, talks to worship leader, songwriter Keith Getty, co-author of “In Christ Alone” about the songwriting process and more. Stay tuned for their song “By Faith” on the show. We also hear your feedback and share some worship leading tools. Stay tuned for a brief sleeping aid recording with Ben and Wisdom after the listener feedback.
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On this episode of the All About Worship Podcast, Wisdom and Ben sit down with Meredith Andrews to talk about ministry life, music, and her most embarrassing moment leading worship. Wisdom and Ben catch up with what’s happening in their worlds, we get to your messages, and announce a special giveaway. (Boy, we just can’t stop giving stuff away!)
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On this episode, Wisdom is joined by Billy and Cindy Foote as they discuss worship leading, songwriting, and adoption. Billy Foote has written many congregational worship songs like: “You Are My King”, “Sing To The King”, and “You Are God Alone”. Ben and Wisdom also discuss Star Wars, bolts, Mexican food, and our upcoming retreat.
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On this episode of the All About Worship Podcast, we gather some of our friends together to talk about one of the most important relationships in the local church. The Worship Leader and Pastor relationship can often make or break the success of worship services. Listen in as we talk about this hugely important topic.
Roundtable Crew
Tim Howey. Sr Pastor of Grace Church in Overland Park, KS. Tim and Ben have been working in ministry together for ten years. Visit TimHowey.com to learn more about Tim. He joins us live in the palatial All About Worship studio. If you’re going to talk about a Sr. Pastor and Worship Leader relationship….why not ask a Sr. Pastor to join us? Tim also facilitated a breakout session at the All About Worship Retreat in 2010.
Troy Kennedy. Songwriter/Worship Pastor from Kansas City joins us. Troy has taught classes on worship leading ministry in conferences around the nation including the recent National Worship Leader Conference 2009 & 2010 and also at the All About Worship Retreat 2010. Log on to NewWorship.com to learn more about Troy.
Fred McKinnon. Songwriter/Worship Leader from St. Simmons Island, GA also joins the roundtable discussion. With the “Sunday Setlists” and TheWorshipCommunity, Fred has become an influential member of the online worship community. Visit FredMcKinnon.com and TheWorshipCommunity.com to learn more about Fred.
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Crucial Conversations. The book Pastor Tim Howey uses with the staff at Grace Church.
WorshipRetreat.org. Be sure to take advantage of the Early Bird Discount for All About Worship Retreat 2011 by registering by September 30th (only a couple of weeks left). Artists/speakers will include Brenton Brown, Pocket Full of Rocks, Sarah Reeves, and others.
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Some of the best lessons I’ve learned in life are through trying, failing, trying, failing, failing, trying and succeeding every once in awhile. I’m not foolish enough to think I’ve got it all figured out, but I do have some things that I hope can be an encouragement to anyone willing to read. These are a few random worship leading lessons God continues to teach me.
Dumping of Gear = Dumping of Pride
In January, 1993 I received Christ as my savior at the age of 18 years old. Leading up to that moment I found myself getting steeped in music. I had begun playing in bars surrounding myself with influences that would ultimately lead to a lifestyle that could be harmful to my health. Thankfully, God interceded and completely changed my heart.
It didn’t happen overnight. The salvation happened instantly…but the transformation of someone desiring to be a “rock star”, center of attention….to one who knew he was a child of God didn’t happen instantly. It came over time.
Soon after I became a Christian, I realized my desires were shifting from pursuing music, to pursuing a relationship with God. I was convicted about where my affections were being drawn to and decided a radical change needed to happen. I donated all of my electric guitar gear to my local church for a missions cause. I believe in my walk with God, this was a huge moment of growth.
What I began to learn was nothing I did mattered if I didn’t give it all to the Lord. That meant my money, my talents, my abilities, my desires….everything. After a year of not being involved with music, I was invited to be a part of the worship ministry in my College and Career Class I was a part of at the time. This is where I began cutting my teeth on what it meant to do music for a completely different cause.
It’s Not YOUR Ministry
I love being a part of ministry, especially being able to use the talent God has blessed me with. Every once in a while I need to be reminded that the ministry I’m a part of is not MINE…it’s God’s. When I hear musicians use the term “my ministry”, it makes me cringe. It’s an indicator for me that communicates the heart of someone who is in it to bring their talent/skill to the team and may not give much care to the other team members or the church-wide vision. Essentially every Christ follower needs to answer this one question:
Are you willing to give up what you love the most in order to let God make you a true worshiper?
In Psalm 51 we read the story of a repentant David who realizes it makes no difference what sacrifice he brings to the Lord, but that God is simply concerned with a broken heart. For worship leaders and team members, you may feel that you’re bringing the very best of what you have in your skill to the Lord, but if you don’t have the heart of a true worshiper of God…it doesn’t matter.
Many times we wrap our identities up in the things we do. Whether a job, a ministry we’re a part of, a ministry we lead. Eventually we begin to place our hope in our skills and in these roles we play. When those roles or that job is gone, we then become hopeless. God wants our hope and strength to rest completely and solely on Jesus Christ.
So here’s a challenge to you worship leaders and team members. Redirect your focus. It’s not about YOUR skill, it’s not about YOUR talent. Are you truly worshiping Christ with your talent? Or are you deceiving yourself thinking your sacrifice has been acceptable to the Lord when all along, you’ve been carrying bitterness and a heart that is tainted by an attitude that this is YOUR ministry not God’s?
16 For You do not desire sacrifice, or else I would give it;
You do not delight in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit,
A broken and a contrite heart—
These, O God, You will not despise.
Psalm 51:16-17 (NKJV)
-Ben Abu Saada

We’ve reached 50 episodes!!! This week we hear an interview Wisdom did with songwriter/worship leader – Matt Papa. During the recent National Worship Leader Conference here in Kansas, Matt was gracious enough to sit down and talk over dinner. And, Matt’s most embarrassing moment leading worship…it’s a doozy. We’ll also get to your calls and another giveaway! Oh…and accents…
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And as promised….Matt Papa is….Napoleon Dynamite: